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For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail).
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This is the debug log of the pick happening ...
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18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury}
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18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury
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18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}}
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18:19:04 Marking 1 hits
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18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ...
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Note, if I run the pick command by hand ...
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delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury
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1 hit
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That's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm
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delta$ pick -version
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pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002]
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And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ...
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delta$ mhparam pick
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-seq sel -list
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Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the
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kre
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>
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You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the
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Tracey Lawson
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If you ever wanted to look like "one of the most dangerous inmates in prison
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history", as one judge described Charles Bronson, now’s your chance. Bronson -
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Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48,
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Fitness might be the book which will see Bronson’s face sitting on every
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"All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, it’s just a load of
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bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be
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it’s our choice, I’m sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff
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your face with shit you become shit, that’s logical to me."
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Internet can level the political playing field
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By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro
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NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one
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No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be
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unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters.
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The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress
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When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the
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Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the
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ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient
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groups.
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But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter
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an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without
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opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage
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the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam
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advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail.
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Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best
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they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information.
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Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an
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the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is
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Hi all,
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apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but),
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network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs)
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any help pointers would be helpful,
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cheers
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Bernard
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There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT
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It gets a bit complicated though!
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Folks,
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Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but
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it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?
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Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice,
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the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is
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inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead.
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If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful -
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I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.
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Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions
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welcome.
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Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual
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> TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under
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> Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a
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Programming Roger
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The Homunculids
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> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all
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>
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I have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not
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nobody's problem but Habeas's.
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A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of
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incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet
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> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's
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>
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> - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is
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> assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the
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> Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix
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> the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our
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> scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway.
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This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all
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If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1,
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> But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that
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> frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas
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> mark, that will be one way to help.
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Newsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor
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of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message
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basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it.
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> Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle
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> $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for
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> copyright infringement.
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Sorry, that just can't work.
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If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam,
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and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g.,
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SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then
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spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody
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left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their
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will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark.
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Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to
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make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose
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for which it was designed.
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Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against
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real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops,
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then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights
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El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribi=F3:
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> I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.=A0 We support only a few web sites =
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and=20
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> I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar > =
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> =A0
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> We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now=20=
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> a DNS server.=A0 As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and=20=
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> DNS traffic is almost nothing.=A0 Everything is on lightly loaded APC=20=
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> battery backups so we are very seldom down.
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> =A0
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> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage=20=
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> of the trusted zone file transfer option.
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> =A0
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> =A0
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> =A0
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> Bob Musser
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> Database Services, Inc.
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> Makers of:
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> =A0=A0 Process Server's Toolbox
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> =A0=A0 Courier Service Toolbox
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> BobM@dbsinfo.com
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> www.dbsinfo.com
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> 106 Longhorn Road
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> Winter Park FL 32792
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> (407) 679-1539
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> =A0
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> =A0
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>
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---
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Atentamente
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Javier Cota
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Integraci=F3n tecnol=F3gica
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52723341
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javier@linkcreations.com.mx
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--Apple-Mail-2-874629474
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Bob
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We are a commercial company who host around 150 web sites on each of
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it servers, we can=B4t swap with you because we need someone in a
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similar position.
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Thank you
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Javier=20
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El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribi=F3:
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<excerpt><smaller>I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.=A0 We support only a
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few web sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in
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a similar position.</smaller>
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=A0
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<smaller>We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL,
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mail and now a DNS server.=A0 As I said, we are hosting about 10 web
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sites, web and DNS traffic is almost nothing.=A0 Everything is on
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lightly loaded APC battery backups so we are very seldom down.</smaller>
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=A0
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<smaller>I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take
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advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.</smaller>
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=A0
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=A0
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=A0
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<smaller>Bob Musser
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Database Services, Inc.
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Makers of:
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=A0=A0 Process Server's Toolbox
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=A0=A0 Courier Service Toolbox
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<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BobM@dbsinfo.com
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www.dbsinfo.com
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</color></underline>106 Longhorn Road
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Winter Park FL 32792
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(407) 679-1539</smaller>
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=A0
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=A0
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</excerpt>---
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Atentamente
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Javier Cota
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Integraci=F3n tecnol=F3gica
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52723341
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javier@linkcreations.com.mx
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responsible for how BBC News Online looked when it launched.
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Since then, he has invented 'warchalking', which he recently
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described as a 'curse'..."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2210091.stm
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- but you cannot turn against me! I... created you!
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>> HARD NEWS <<
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stiffening sinews
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More hot summer days in the mailinglist alleyways,
|
||||
dangerously empty of sane postings, strewn with the rotting
|
||||
carcasses of broiling vacation messages. Hacktress and
|
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Silicon Valley's chief rat-keeper LILE ELAM, excitedly posts
|
||||
about a new open 802.11 network she's found. "I am here at
|
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the police station waiting to see a judge and I thought I
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would check to see if there is connectivity", she writes,
|
||||
somewhat recklessly, to the Bay Area Wireless list. Exit
|
||||
the rest of the Wifi community through the nearest window
|
||||
and out into the streets... where, cooling tempers, the
|
||||
Microsoft Palladium boys are on an endless summer tour,
|
||||
reassuring the experts that while, hmm, they *suppose* Pd
|
||||
could *theoretically* be used as a Hollywood DRM system,
|
||||
they truly have no plans to do any such thing. Cypherpunk
|
||||
and friend of freedom Lucky Green hears this; thinks up four
|
||||
or five of the obvious Palladium DRM implementations; sends
|
||||
them off to be patented in his name. Licensing funds, we
|
||||
imagine, will go on cracking his own DRMs. And so the mail
|
||||
loops on.
|
||||
http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2002-August/008507.html
|
||||
- administrivia: HI MOM, I'M IN JAIL
|
||||
http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@wasabisystems.com/msg02554.html
|
||||
- Green/Palladium, like Green Kryptonite
|
||||
|
||||
Could Lucky get himself arrested under the DMCA for
|
||||
distributing a circumvention device? Worse: now we have the
|
||||
EUCD incoming, could he here in the UK? Will Alan Cox go to
|
||||
jail for posting detailed Changelogs? Will even the nicest
|
||||
UK cryptographer (or curious garage tinkerer) find
|
||||
themselves hauled up under our new and scarily DMCAish
|
||||
copyright regime? Find out the facts at the free FAIR DEAL
|
||||
FOR COPYRIGHT conference, organised by the irrepressible
|
||||
FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH for Wednesday
|
||||
2002-09-18 at the London School of Economics. All the usual
|
||||
fun from the creators of the Scrambling for Safety crypto
|
||||
cons: we confidently predict government spokesmen caught in
|
||||
headlights, wanton Dave Bird heckling, some industry bigwig
|
||||
fighting off the audience with a broken chairleg, and other
|
||||
epiphenomena of the interzone between legal minds and hacker
|
||||
ethics. Oh, and FIPR are still looking for a Programme
|
||||
Director, so if you're interested, let them know. We
|
||||
suggested a convention raffle (first prize: the director's
|
||||
job, second prize: Ross Anderson as your personal slave for
|
||||
a day). They say there's some rule that would break, though.
|
||||
http://www.fipr.org/vacancy.html
|
||||
- doesn't the Foundation use psychohistory for filling these positions?
|
||||
|
||||
For those of us who can't read the abbreviation EULA without
|
||||
thinking of Martian fighting machines and their "deafening
|
||||
howls... which roared like thunder", we're sorry to report
|
||||
that this weekend's multimedia performance of Jeff Wayne's WAR
|
||||
OF THE WORLDS has been postponed due to "health and safety
|
||||
issues". The event was to feature computer graphics,
|
||||
fireworks, "60ft-tall Martian fighting machines" wreaking
|
||||
"havoc and destruction", and - most terrifyingly of all - the
|
||||
possibility of a David Essex tribute singer performing with
|
||||
Hawkwind, but UKP18 tickets for the Sat 2002-08-31 show at
|
||||
Manchester's Heaton Park will still be valid at a range of new
|
||||
venues next summer. Ironically, the Martians' original
|
||||
invasion plans were similarly thwarted by health and safety
|
||||
issues, "slain after all man's devices had failed by the
|
||||
humblest creatures that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this
|
||||
earth: bacteria. Minute, invisible, bacteria. For, directly
|
||||
the invaders arrived and drank and fed, our microscopic allies
|
||||
attacked them..."
|
||||
http://www.waroftheworlds.info/postpone.htm
|
||||
- "...From that moment, they were doomed."
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
>> ANTI-NEWS <<
|
||||
berating the obvious
|
||||
|
||||
moving on from PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS, weird search-and-
|
||||
replace artefact: http://www.google.com/search?q=consideyellow ,
|
||||
Japanese fan sites for "plince", "steery dan", "def reppard"
|
||||
et al, plus the 18,000 or more self-referential Usenet .sigs:
|
||||
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22get+random+signatures%22
|
||||
...http://www.colocation-network.com/ "Zerodowntime" ad leads
|
||||
to: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohzero.gif ... slightly
|
||||
harsh alt text: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohover.gif ...
|
||||
US military discovers the only "translator" those bastards
|
||||
seem to understand: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohgun.gif
|
||||
... scary blue men herald return of the bizarre BBC hacking
|
||||
pics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1494091.stm ... reporter RYAN
|
||||
DILLEY http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2202552.stm pulls his
|
||||
http://starwars.org.pl/galeria/e2/char/anakin/t001.jpg face
|
||||
... banjo maestro GEORGE FORMBY still alive, cooking, black:
|
||||
http://www.readersheds.co.uk/readersheds/shop.cfm?WOSNAMES=Wosnames
|
||||
... thanks guys, that ought to do it: http://www.eap.ca/ ...
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
>> EVENT QUEUE <<
|
||||
goto's considered non-harmful
|
||||
|
||||
Controversially, we're all in favour of THE GUARDIAN GREAT
|
||||
BRITISH BLOG COMPETITION (closing date next Fri 2002-09-06,
|
||||
first prize UKP1000, entry free), in that any initiative that
|
||||
encourages this notoriously primadonna-ish "community" to try
|
||||
and engage with real-world notions of editorial quality surely
|
||||
has to be a good thing. Our only disappointment is that The
|
||||
Guardian appears to be focussing on the "best" of the entries,
|
||||
when everyone knows the real fun is to be had cruising the
|
||||
truly terrible examples that the genre has to offer, mentally
|
||||
allocating points for "Most Depressing Recycling Of Daypop Top
|
||||
40 URLs", "Most Unsettling Revelations About Personal Life",
|
||||
plus of course "Most Tedious Linking/Reciprocal Linking To Other
|
||||
Bloggers In Absence Of Having Anything Interesting To Say".
|
||||
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weblog/bestbritishblog/
|
||||
- "A strange game, Professor Falken..."
|
||||
http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/comment/0,7496,765161,00.html
|
||||
- "...the only winning move is not to play."
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
>> TRACKING <<
|
||||
sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering
|
||||
|
||||
The respective trademark holders will hate this, but
|
||||
Windows really *is* like the Sun. You have this big hulking
|
||||
mass of concentrated power in the middle, with a few small
|
||||
orbiting utilities - like WinZip, and PuTTY, and VNC.
|
||||
Occasionally one will get a bit too close to the OS, and
|
||||
Microsoft will suck it down and turn it into fuel for the
|
||||
System. One such discrete satellite remains FILEZILLA, the
|
||||
still-necessary ftp gui client for Windows. Those who know
|
||||
it won't need the introduction, although they might
|
||||
appreciate the note that it's getting close to v2.0 time.
|
||||
For dogged WS_FTP users, though, it's got multiple
|
||||
downloads, auto-restart of interrupted 'loads, queuing, and
|
||||
sftp and Kerberos support. It's also GPL'd which makes it a
|
||||
nice bit of source for anyone wanting to grok Win32
|
||||
networking from something that works.
|
||||
http://filezilla.sf.net/
|
||||
- talking of trademarks, will the Godzilla people strike before MS?
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
>> MEMEPOOL <<
|
||||
ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/
|
||||
|
||||
(Not safe for work) next year's RED NOSE DAY looks more fun
|
||||
than usual: http://www.threepillows.com/tour2.htm ... Mirrored
|
||||
Disaster Recovery Suite - to go with mirrored bathroom etc?:
|
||||
http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=1450
|
||||
... and then the kid can take you to court for mental cruelty:
|
||||
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/08/27/turok.baby.reut/ ...
|
||||
"funny" prefixes in front of "chalking" #n+1 - the actually
|
||||
quite pragmatic: http://www.pinkbunny.co.uk/poochalking/ ...
|
||||
no longer knowing - or caring - if these are prank AMAZON
|
||||
reviews or not, for Potter's ever-popular "vibrating" broom:
|
||||
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/
|
||||
... ditto "Use This Software At Your Own Risk" disclaimer for:
|
||||
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41030
|
||||
... DAFFY DUCK appears in dock - accused of "dethpicable"
|
||||
behaviour?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2223065.stm ,
|
||||
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_659889.html ...
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
>> GEEK MEDIA <<
|
||||
get out less
|
||||
|
||||
TV>> celebrity cameo night tonight, with Brad Pitt in FRIENDS
|
||||
(9pm, Fri, C4), Sydney Pollack in WILL AND GRACE (9.30pm, Fri,
|
||||
C4), Dustin Hoffman in V GRAHAM NORTON (10.30pm, Fri, C4), and
|
||||
a singing, dancing peanut in globalised trade documentary ALT-
|
||||
TV (7.30pm, Fri, C4)... the BBC have kept McEnroe and the
|
||||
heart monitor, got rid of the live crocodiles in gimmicky
|
||||
quizshow THE CHAIR (6.40pm, Sat, BBC1)... and a month of
|
||||
"September 11th" specials kicks off with AVENGING TERROR (8pm,
|
||||
Sat & Sun, C4) - yet those responsible for BOWFINGER (9pm,
|
||||
Sat, C4) and NOTTING HILL (9pm, Sun, C4) still remain
|
||||
unpunished... John "The Last Seduction" Dahl's ROUNDERS (11pm,
|
||||
Sat, BBC2) turns out to be about high-stakes poker, rather
|
||||
than the girls' version of baseball... in the wake of DAVE
|
||||
GORMAN'S IMPORTANT ASTROLOGY EXPERIMENT (10.40pm, Sun, BBC2),
|
||||
how about a three-way challenge where he, Tony Hawks and Pete
|
||||
McCarthy battle to come up with the most lucrative pointless
|
||||
pretext for a book and TV show?... but we still have a soft
|
||||
spot for Ron "Alien: Resurrection" Perlman liberal self-
|
||||
flagellation THE LAST SUPPER (11.20pm, Sun, C4)... 9/11 CLEAR
|
||||
THE SKIES (9pm, Sun, BBC2) is a presumably uneventful account
|
||||
of "how US air defence systems responded to the events of
|
||||
September 11th"... inexplicably, the three finalists in THE
|
||||
TARTIEST MEN IN BRITAIN (10.30pm, Mon, ITV) all come from
|
||||
Leeds... Larry Clark takes a somewhat indirect approach to
|
||||
conveying his safe-sex message in New York filth-fest KIDS
|
||||
(1.15am, Tue, C4)... and the September 11th build-up continues
|
||||
with HOW THE TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSED (8pm, Mon, C4), LET'S ROLL:
|
||||
THE STORY OF FLIGHT 93 (10.30pm, Wed, ITV), plus THE MEYSSAN
|
||||
CONSPIRACY (11.05pm, Tue, C4) - ie the French guy behind:
|
||||
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
|
||||
... away from the polluted nightmare of modern living, a
|
||||
family seek out a new way of life in Earth Summit tie-in A
|
||||
LAND WORTH LOVING (7pm, Wed, BBC1)... which coincidentally
|
||||
also forms the plot of this week's second Heather "Bowfinger"
|
||||
Graham turkey, LOST IN SPACE (7.55pm, Wed, BBC1) - not to be
|
||||
confused with the return of those annoying posh women in
|
||||
WORLD'S WORST DRESSED (8pm, Wed, BBC2), who have at least shut
|
||||
up about their always-doomed hideously purple e-commerce
|
||||
site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/712188.stm ...
|
||||
|
||||
FILM>> the comic skills of Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate
|
||||
and Parker Posey combine in a cross between a teen smut comedy
|
||||
and an episode of "Sex And The City", THE SWEETEST THING
|
||||
( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_sweetest_thing.html :
|
||||
As [Diaz] and [Applegate] drive down the road still dressed in
|
||||
just their bras and underwear, [Applegate] drops her bottle of
|
||||
fingernail polish. [Diaz] then goes over to get it, with
|
||||
her panty-covered butt in the air and her head down toward
|
||||
[Applegate]'s legs and crotch; [Selma Blair] [has] her mouth
|
||||
stuck around a man's privates after apparently performing oral
|
||||
sex on him)... Robin Williams plays a surprisingly convincing
|
||||
Hannibal Lecter in morally complicated Alaskan Al Pacino
|
||||
murder madness INSOMNIA ( http://www.cndb.com/ : You can see
|
||||
[Crystal Lowe's] tits in autopsy photos and again - along with
|
||||
bush - when she's seen on a autopsy table. Nice boobs but
|
||||
she's dead)... it's Eddie Murphy, Randy Quaid, Jay "Jerry
|
||||
Maguire" Mohr, John Cleese and Pam Grier - together at last! -
|
||||
in blaxploitation sci-fi spoof THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH
|
||||
( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_adventures_of_pluto_nash.html :
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Subject: [Ximian Updates] Hyperlink handling in Gaim allows arbitrary code to be executed
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Keywords: gaim hyperlink manual
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References:
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CAN-2002-0989
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http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0989
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Gaim Changelog
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http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog
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Gaim is an instant messaging client based on the published TOC
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protocol from AOL. The developers of Gaim, an instant messenger client
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||||
that combines several different networks, found a vulnerability in the
|
||||
hyperlink handling code. The 'Manual' browser command passes an
|
||||
untrusted string to the shell without escaping or reliable quoting,
|
||||
permitting an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the users
|
||||
machine. Unfortunately, Gaim doesn't display the hyperlink before the
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||||
user clicks on it. Users who use other inbuilt browser commands aren't
|
||||
vulnerable.
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||||
The fixed version of Gaim no longer passes the user's manual browser
|
||||
command to the shell. Commands which contain the %s in quotes will
|
||||
need to be amended, so they don't contain any quotes. The 'Manual'
|
||||
browser command can be edited in the 'General' pane of the
|
||||
'Preferences' dialog, which can be accessed by clicking 'Options' from
|
||||
the login window, or 'Tools' and then 'Preferences' from the menu bar
|
||||
in the buddy list window.
|
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Please download Gaim 0.59.1 or later using Red Carpet. You may also
|
||||
obtain this update from the Ximian FTP site.
|
||||
|
||||
Debian Potato
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-common_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-gnome_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
|
||||
|
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Mandrake 8.0
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-80-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
|
||||
|
||||
Mandrake 8.1
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-81-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
|
||||
|
||||
Mandrake 8.2
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-82-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
|
||||
|
||||
Redhat 6.2
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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Redhat 7.0
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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Redhat 7.1
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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Redhat 7.2
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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Redhat 7.3
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
||||
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
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Solaris 7/8
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/gaim-0.59.1-2.ximian.1.sparc.rpm
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|
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SuSE 7.1
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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SuSE 7.2
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
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SuSE 7.3
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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SuSE 8.0
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
|
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|
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Yellowdog 2.0
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
|
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|
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Yellowdog 2.1
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
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|
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Yellowdog 2.2
|
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
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ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
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Sadly, the RPM rebuild fails part way through:
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% rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-fr6.src.rpm
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gcc -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE=1 \
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-I/lib/modules/2.4.18/build/include -O2 \
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-Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -DEXPORT_SYMTAB \
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-c sound.c
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sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a \
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function)
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sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
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sound.c:41: (near initialization for \
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__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
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make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
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The line in question looks like this:
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/* USB workaround */
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#if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 5, 24)
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#if defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO) || \
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defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO_MODULE) || \
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defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI) || \
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defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI_MODULE)
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-41->
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EXPORT_SYMBOL(snd_hack_usb_set_interface);
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Owen
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*Political spam on your cell phone?*
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August 22, 2002, 12:05 PM PT
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*In a decision that treats text messaging on mobile phones essentially
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In an advisory opinion issued Thursday, the FEC also suggested such
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The opinion could encourage the adoption of text-based political ads, as
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campaign experts look for new technological ways to sway voters. At the
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same time, opponents of the plan fear it could lead to anonymous
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political spam.
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Target Wireless, a small New Jersey-based wireless media company, had
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asked the FEC for an opinion on the matter, saying that requiring
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financial disclosures on short messaging service (SMS) mailings would
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use up too much of the 160 character-maximum.
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Political messages on bumper stickers and buttons are also exempt from
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supported by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Cellular
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FEC spokesman Bob Biersack said the opinion was in keeping with the
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commission's policy not to meddle with new technology that has the
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potential to reach more voters.
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"We have tried very hard not to get in the way--particularly before
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Opponents of the plan have worried the exemption might encourage spam or
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allow senders to blast people with mass amounts of negative political
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messages while remaining anonymous.
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Biersack said the FEC can revisit the issue if those problems surface.
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Target Wireless President Craig Krueger characterized the opinion as
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"good for America."
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"It will allow people to receive more communication from those running
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> Except that thanks to the magic of spam, it's usually some else's locale
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yeah, physical mail makes more sense for physical locales.
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> There are better technical solutions to privacy
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> Internet, so the recipients can't be blamed for reading it.
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Such as?
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Anything equivalent will be spam, just not email spam. Dump entry IPs for
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:33:37 -0400 (EDT)
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XviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a
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put preasure on Sigma to honor the GPL.
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Some notes from other places....
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>>From Doom9 [3]
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"XviD development has been stopped! The Sigma Designs REALMagic MPEG-4
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Video Codec contains wide portions of code taken from the XviD project.
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codec must be freely available). Sigma promised to replace the stolen
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code, but the new version of the codec which was released this month only
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disguises the stolen code, it was not actually removed. Sigma was once
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again contacted and asked to remove the offending code but until today
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nothing has happened. Therefore the XviD team is now turning to the public
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in the hope to receive wide public support in their efforts to convince
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Sigma Designs to respect the terms of the GPL. And until the matter has
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been resolved XviD development will not continue.
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That being said I hope all the forum members who saw their threads about
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the Sigma Codecs being closed will understand our motivation now.
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Internally we already knew what was going on but since the XviD authors
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first wanted to try and resolve this internally we respected their wishes
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and kept quiet about the matter at hand.
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[Update] Sigma has issued a press release announcing the availability of
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the source code of their MPEG-4 codec and it's already up for download.
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However, not a word was lost about the XviD issue and the press release
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makes one think that the Sigma codec was entirely developed by Sigma so we
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might be hearing more about this.
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[Update] I found a GPL notice in some of the source code files, but it
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also looks like Sigma placed their own copyright lines there and XviD
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doesn't get any credit in the source either. The GPL notice also collides
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with Sigma's Software Licensing Agreement that you have to sign before
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downloading codec or source. On on the same issue DivXNetworks said they'd
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fully support XviD in this issue and apparently DXn's relationship with
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Sigma didn't really work out either, as Sigma's Xcard is not as DivX
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compatible as it was advertised.
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[Update]First an update on the XviD situation. The release of the Sigma
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source code does not mean it's all over, it's far from being over. The
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license agreement which you have to agree to before you can download, and
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install the codec is not compatible with the GPL. Furthermore, it can now
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clearly be seen (download the source code and have a look for yourself)
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that the Sigma codec is pretty much a copy of the XviD codec, but all the
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copyright notices of the original developers have been removed and
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replaced. This does not only violate the GPL but copyright laws - you
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can't just take a program, change a few lines and change the copyright
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statements, you only have copyright protection for the parts you wrote on
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your own. And related to this the Sigma codec also contains code taken
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from the OpenDivX project, the files were outfitted with 2 different
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copyright notices which is quite funny."
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[1] http://www.xvid.org/
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[2] http://www.sigmadesigns.com
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[3] http://www.doom9.org/
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And yet STILL noone is out there creating _public domain_ content. Is there
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If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so
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Fair use needs to be clarified a bit and then I hope they start locking
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> problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same
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> problems over and over again when there are some many more important and
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> interesting problems (high level) to be solved ?????
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Amen!
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> > gnu date is limited by time_t. but i thought time_t expired in 2037?
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> so we should be safe enough.
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> Adam Beberg:
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>
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as much in the embedded world.
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> The real issue is compiler availability. Almost every embedded platform
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> that was the story a few years ago.
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- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
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