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Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies
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From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com>
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On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:58, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
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> And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh
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> in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED.
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My typical Java-to-C conversion doesn't increase the lines of code by
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more than 20%, and a fair portion of that is the implementation of
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additional features that drove us to do the conversion in the first
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place. Some things are substantially more succinct when written in C
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than in Java. C and most other mature languages have an endless
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collection of libraries. I personally don't use anything beyond the
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core libraries of any language that much though.
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On a tangent, I find libraries nearly useless for a great many things
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due primarily to the fact that most of them are so general that a given
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non-trivial API almost always has a context in which it will function in
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a pathological manner. Code reuse is wonderful and all that, but
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libraries frequently make design trade-offs that won't work for me even
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if they theoretically do exactly what I need. Unfortunately, it isn't
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particularly easy nor does it make a nice simple API to design a library
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that really is optimizable to a wide range of design cases. I've built
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a small collection of flexible psuedo-polymorphic APIs over the years
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that I tend to use, but it is a pretty ugly solution for code reuse when
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you get right down to it.
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-James Rogers
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jamesr@best.com
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