From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A716744156 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:49:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SHmKZ03633 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:48:20 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7126294236; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from jamesr.best.vwh.net (jamesr.best.vwh.net [192.220.76.165]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 45E04294235 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 54312 invoked by uid 19621); 28 Aug 2002 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon) ([64.125.200.18]) (envelope-sender ) by 192.220.76.165 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Aug 2002 17:43:11 -0000 Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies From: James Rogers To: fork@example.com In-Reply-To: References: <20020828164409.8826AC44D@argote.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Message-Id: <1030557516.7585.53.camel@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 28 Aug 2002 10:58:35 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.0 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:58, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh > in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. My typical Java-to-C conversion doesn't increase the lines of code by more than 20%, and a fair portion of that is the implementation of additional features that drove us to do the conversion in the first place. Some things are substantially more succinct when written in C than in Java. C and most other mature languages have an endless collection of libraries. I personally don't use anything beyond the core libraries of any language that much though. On a tangent, I find libraries nearly useless for a great many things due primarily to the fact that most of them are so general that a given non-trivial API almost always has a context in which it will function in a pathological manner. Code reuse is wonderful and all that, but libraries frequently make design trade-offs that won't work for me even if they theoretically do exactly what I need. Unfortunately, it isn't particularly easy nor does it make a nice simple API to design a library that really is optimizable to a wide range of design cases. I've built a small collection of flexible psuedo-polymorphic APIs over the years that I tend to use, but it is a pretty ugly solution for code reuse when you get right down to it. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com