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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 23 22:47:41 2002
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From: "John Hall" <johnhall@evergo.net>
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To: "FoRK" <fork@example.com>
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Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming
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For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would have to bury the
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Greens. A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they
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would have had to invent it. So it is with global warming. Their
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fundamental opposition isn't to a warmer earth, it is to industrial
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civilization.
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The fact that the sattelites didn't match what the global warming
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theorists said should be there is old news. The news here is that the
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temperature measures via sattelite have gotten even better and they have
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been validated with a different means of measurement.
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Rather than have to defend CO2 concentrations as not causing global
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warming, people who believe in CO2 need a good explanation of the
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"Medieval Warm Period". Said period was warmer than what we have now,
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and it obvioiusly wasn't caused by CO2.
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In point of fact the predicted global warming due to CO2 is not caused
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DIRECTLY by CO2. CO2 doesn't trap that much heat. Water vapor does,
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and if you can get more water vapor in the air due to CO2 then you have
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your warming theory.
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Yet it would seem that the very stability of the earth's climate over
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long periods argues not for an unstable system with positive feedback
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loops but one where negative feedback loops predominate.
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More water vapor can increase temperatuers, but that also leads to more
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clouds. Clouds both trap heat and reflect it, so it depends a great
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deal on how the cloud formation shakes out. Most climate models admit
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they do clouds very poorly.
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A good link is:
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http://www.techcentralstation.be/2051/wrapper.jsp?PID=2051-100&CID=2051-
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060302A
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
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Jim
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> Whitehead
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> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:23 PM
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> To: Robert Harley; fork@example.com
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> Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming
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>
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> > Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
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> > >and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause
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> > some stir ...
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> >
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> > Of course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the
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facts.
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> For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain
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why
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> the
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> dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global
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> temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers
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are
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> melting faster than they have previously in the historical record.
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That
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> is,
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> people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate
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> explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases).
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>
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> - Jim
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