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Bill Stoddard wrote:
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>>Chuck Murcko wrote:
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>>
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>>>Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not
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>>>"parroting the party line".
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>>>
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>>>It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take
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>>>it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to
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>>>suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.:
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>>>
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>>>I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to
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>>>defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass
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>>>where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political
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>>>pendulum has swung currently.
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>>>
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>>>Chuck
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>>>
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>>>
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>>I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by
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>>protestors, he said something like "They couldn't do that in Iraq."
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>>Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested.
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>>
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>>Owen
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>>
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>>
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>
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>Trying to shoutdown a speaker or being loud and rowdy while someone else is
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>trying to speak (in the vernacular, 'getting in their face') is rude and
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>disrespectful. And persistently getting in someones face is assault, a
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>criminal offense. If these people have something to say, they can say it
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>with signs or get their own venue. And here is something else to chew on...
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>these protesters are NOT interested in changing anyones mind about what
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>Rumsfield is saying. How likely are you to change someone's mind by being
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>rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence
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>people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of
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>human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their
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>message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of
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>how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil
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>at worst.
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>
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>Bill
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Polite and respectful protest is acceptable then. No dumping tea in the
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harbour or anything like that.
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I think the primary purpose of loud and rowdy protests is to get on
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television, and that the tactics can be
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justified as a reaction to a systematic removal of alternative
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viewpoints from that medium. On the other hand,
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it was a priceless TV moment. There was nothing resembling assault, and
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the protestors were not in anybody's face
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(at least in my understanding of the vernacular).
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And no, being rude and disrespectful is not the way to influence
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politicians, but the standard way of using lobbyists and
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writing checks is beyond many of us.
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Owen
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