99 lines
4.7 KiB
Plaintext
99 lines
4.7 KiB
Plaintext
From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 11:06:43 2002
|
|
Return-Path: <spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net>
|
|
Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com
|
|
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
|
|
by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0344167
|
|
for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:05:15 -0400 (EDT)
|
|
Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1]
|
|
by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0)
|
|
for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:05:15 +0100 (IST)
|
|
Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net
|
|
[216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id
|
|
g7SMFiZ12380 for <jm-sa@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:15:44 +0100
|
|
Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13]
|
|
helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with
|
|
esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kB4e-0001Lv-00; Wed,
|
|
28 Aug 2002 15:14:04 -0700
|
|
Received: from adsl-216-103-211-240.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net
|
|
([216.103.211.240] helo=proton.pathname.com) by
|
|
usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id
|
|
17kB4L-0006hu-00 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>;
|
|
Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:13:45 -0700
|
|
Received: from quinlan by proton.pathname.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1
|
|
(Debian)) id 17kB4H-000848-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:13:41 -0700
|
|
To: Robin Lynn Frank <rlfrank-dated-1030992510.fc97b8@paradigm-omega.com>
|
|
Cc: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net
|
|
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
|
|
References: <1030560510.17408.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>
|
|
From: Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@pathname.com>
|
|
In-Reply-To: Robin Lynn Frank's message of "Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0700"
|
|
Message-Id: <yf2sn0yk4x6.fsf@proton.pathname.com>
|
|
Lines: 32
|
|
X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7
|
|
Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net
|
|
Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net
|
|
X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net
|
|
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net
|
|
Precedence: bulk
|
|
List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help>
|
|
List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net>
|
|
List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>,
|
|
<mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
|
|
List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin <spamassassin-talk.example.sourceforge.net>
|
|
List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>,
|
|
<mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
|
|
List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-talk>
|
|
X-Original-Date: 28 Aug 2002 15:13:41 -0700
|
|
Date: 28 Aug 2002 15:13:41 -0700
|
|
X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times.
|
|
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.6 required=7.0
|
|
tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,
|
|
QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,
|
|
USER_AGENT_GNUS_XM
|
|
version=2.40-cvs
|
|
X-Spam-Level:
|
|
|
|
Robin Lynn Frank <rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> writes:
|
|
|
|
> I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To me,
|
|
> it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam.
|
|
>
|
|
> If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my spam with
|
|
> the Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd been
|
|
> reported. Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a
|
|
> different IP. As long as no one can establish my connection to the
|
|
> web sites my spam is directing people to, I'm home free.
|
|
|
|
Here is the bug I opened:
|
|
|
|
http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=762
|
|
|
|
RBLs have the same problem, but there is no negative RBL header rule
|
|
with a -20 score that can be forged, so the problem is unique to Habeas.
|
|
|
|
> Since I can set up spamassassin to I don't "lose" any email, what do I
|
|
> gain by making it easier for spam to get through??
|
|
|
|
My primary issue is the magnitude of the negative score and that it was
|
|
not determined empirically. I am also concerned that it was added after
|
|
the rules freeze, that such a major change was not discussed in advance,
|
|
etc.
|
|
|
|
There's also no evidence that the rule will actually reduce FPs. People
|
|
who are smart enough to use the rule are probably capable of writing
|
|
email that doesn't look like spam (I'm not counting spam mailing lists
|
|
which you need to be exempted from spam filtering).
|
|
|
|
Dan
|
|
|
|
|
|
-------------------------------------------------------
|
|
This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing
|
|
real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in!
|
|
http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim
|
|
_______________________________________________
|
|
Spamassassin-talk mailing list
|
|
Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
|
|
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
|
|
|