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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 23 22:47:38 2002
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Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming
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From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com>
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To: Jim Whitehead <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu>
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"the historical record", by which you mean *human* historical record, is
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highly overrated (nigh worthless) when you are talking about geological
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timescales, even on topics with as short a timescale as climate.
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My problem with global warming (or cooling for that matter), is that the
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supposedly profound recent changes in temperature, both in absolute
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terms and as a function time, very arguably fall well below the noise
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floor of the natural fluctuations that have occurred over the last
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50,000 years both in terms of absolute average temperature and the rate
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of temperature change. People unfamiliar with history of global
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temperature since the advent of modern humans may think that a degree
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here or there over a century is a lot, not realizing that global
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temperatures regularly whipsaw with far greater extremity. I therefore
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immediately dismiss any theory of global warming that cannot explain why
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temperatures whipsawed more severely in pre-history than in the last
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couple thousand years (which have been relatively calm by geological
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standards). This is a very inconvenient fact for people trying to use
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climate to push a particular social agenda.
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It is worth noting that underneath the receding glaciers deposited
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during the last major ice age, they are finding substantial evidence of
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humans living in what was a nice temperate climate before the glaciers
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paved over their civilization. The receding glaciers have turned into a
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bit of an archaeological treasure chest, as they expose artifacts buried
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in and underneath them as they shrink that have been preserved by the
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ice for thousands of years. I don't see any compelling reason to "save
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the glaciers" anyway, particularly in light of the fact that their
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existence has always been transient.
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For anyone to insist that the current negligible fluctuations are
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anthropogenic just heaps one ridiculous assertion upon another. I'll
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just stick with Occam's Razor for now.
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In my humble opinion.
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Cheers,
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-James Rogers
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jamesr@best.com
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:23, Jim Whitehead wrote:
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>
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> For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain why the
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> dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global
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> temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers are
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> melting faster than they have previously in the historical record. That is,
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> people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate
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> explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases).
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