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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
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> Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about
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> more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do
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I don't swallow ;>
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I was just offering anecdotal first-hand experiences from a number of
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cultures indicating 1) we apparently have a problem 2) which requires more
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than ad hoc hand-waving approach (it's trivial! it's obvious! all we have
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to do is XY!).
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> we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from
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> centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th
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That's easy. Divorce didn't happen. The church and the society looked
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after that. Only relatively recently that privilege was granted to kings,
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and only very recently to commoners.
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> century England were any more "functional" than those
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> today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia?
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Is Saudi Arabia a meaningful emigration source?
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> >At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
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> >counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
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> >something wrong.
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>
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> Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about
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> the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically
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I wasn't talking about the US specifically. (Though the demographics
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problem exists there as well, albeit not in that extent we Eurotrash are
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facing right now).
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> or the west generally are suffering from lack of
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> innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The
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1) I'm seeing lack of innovation, and -- more disturbing -- trend towards
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even less innovation by an autocatalytic process (gerontocracy favors
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gerontocracy).
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> last I read, the third generation of the revolution all
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> (a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are
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> importing everything they can American.
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My point was that the west, US first and foremost, importing innovation
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carriers and working against bad trend in the demographics by large scale
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import. While this kinda, sorta works on the short run, this is not
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something sustainable.
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