From fork-admin@xent.com Tue Oct 1 15:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32BA16F16 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:30:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:30:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91EIEK28680 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:18:15 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C262940CB; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDF429409E for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from endeavors.com ([66.126.120.174]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H3B001XU3OMRY@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for fork@xent.com; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 07:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregory Alan Bolcer Subject: Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment & Angry Liberal Yutes To: FoRK Reply-To: gbolcer@endeavors.com Message-Id: <3D99AC17.6A04F9BB@endeavors.com> Organization: Endeavors Technology, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.5 IP32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en, pdf References: Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 07:07:19 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Russell Turpin wrote: > > Gregory Alan Bolcer: > >I'm not sure since I haven't attended civics class > >in quite some time, but the First Amendment doesn't cover protected speech, > >hate speech, or actions. .. > > The first two are wrong. The first amendment DOES > protect speech the Supreme Court decides it protects > (duh!), and that happens to include most of what > people consider hate speech. Unlike many other > nations, the US has no laws against hate speech, per > se. And the first amendment is the reason for that. > This was poking fun of the practice of making up differnt types of speech with different types of protected status. I think the laws specialing out hate and protected speech are ridiculous. The point I keep trying to make is that there's only two types, speech and action. I agree, they are all speech and should be covered by the First Amendment, but If hate speech is so protected, why are certain states trying to prosecute people for it? There's only two answers and one of them is wrong. 1) Because hate speech is different and needs to have a different level of protection dictated by whoever's offended at the time. 2) It's because it's not just speech, but action. A action who's consequences are foreseeable by any reasonable person. Hate speech is mislabeled. It's really "threat". I think they let the mislabeling perpetuate as there's advantage in being able to counter-threat with loss of liberty and money through civil and criminal lawsuits for people THEY don't like. Greg > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com