From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 30 19:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E17D16F18 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:57:34 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:57:34 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UI0FK10427 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:00:15 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6BE2940EA; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from 192.168.1.2 (smtp.piercelaw.edu [216.204.12.219]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19C2940E8 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 192.168.30.220 ([192.168.30.220]) by 192.168.1.2; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:59:50 -0400 From: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Educational Reply-To: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <19164789201.20020930135949@magnesium.net> To: "Mr. FoRK" Cc: Fork@xent.com Subject: Re[4]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <3D9859B9.3A7F80C2@endeavors.com> <10654501659.20020930110821@magnesium.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:59:49 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,T_OUTLOOK_REPLY, T_QUOTE_TWICE_2,T_URI_COUNT_2_3 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Hello Mr., Monday, September 30, 2002, 1:19:12 PM, you wrote: MF> ----- Original Message ----- MF> From: >> People are screaming and shouting over the political figures because >> they cannot be heard in any other way. MF> What, are they illiterate? Mute? What's their problem? If somebody stops MF> them from posting web pages, or printing newsletters, or talking on the MF> phone, or organizing their /own/ conference then that would be wrong. Perhaps /cannot be heard in any other way (period)/ was incorrect. What I meant, was a time-specific occurence. Sure, there are other means outside of the circumstance of the occurence. BUt until we're willing to eliminate the ability to speak in public -only- for the side that doesn't agree with the political force, and make that part of the 1st amendment, the parties -are- screaming and shouting over political figures because they cannot be heard (to those figures) in any other way. MF> I don't think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the MF> physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing - especially MF> when that individual is busy doing something else and isn't interested. Sure. And that goes back to my second argument -- Cohen. THey can walk away. NObody compells them to stand there, I'll agree fully. But we still have a Constitutional right to speak out against policies, actions and grievances. Again. If you want it another way, lets change the Constitution. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net