From fork-admin@xent.com Tue Sep 17 11:29:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657D616F03 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:29:47 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:29:47 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8GJJZC06421 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:19:36 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E102940CF; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mail.evergo.net (unknown [206.191.151.2]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BEBD02940CD for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30648 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 19:19:01 -0000 Received: from dsl.206.191.151.102.evergo.net (HELO JMHALL) (206.191.151.102) by mail.evergo.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 19:19:01 -0000 Reply-To: From: "John Hall" To: "'Stephen D. Williams'" Cc: , Subject: RE: Slaughter in the Name of God Message-Id: <003701c25db5$e9d7e860$0200a8c0@JMHALL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D8628B3.1020906@hpti.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:18:59 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=7.0 tests=AWL,INVALID_MSGID,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: First, it was my understanding that they had the food before they refused to pay. I often have the goods in my possession before I settle the paycheck. Second, 'not being paid for a little food' is an awfully big deal in India. It isn't far from stealing the only food my children have so I'll have to watch them starve. The margin of survival is very, very, thin. So yes. In my particular reality distortion field 'not paying for a little food' in India is akin to a direct act of violence intended to cause suffering if not death on the victims family. That such an act triggers a violent response is, IMHO, hardly surprising. In other words, as far as I could tell the people on the train fired the first shot. With all of that said I still don't know if this happened or not. Nor do I know for sure that the margin of survival for those Muslim vendors was that thin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:54 AM > To: johnhall@evergo.net > Cc: fork@example.com; lea@lig.net > Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God > > Wow! It seems you are evaluating this with a large reality distortion > field. > > If the activists on the train refused to pay for food, then the vendors > shouldn't give it to them. And the local police force should be > arresting them. Etc. > > You have to be operating from a particularly primitive point of view, > which obviously was in operation with the participants here, to think > that religious differences or not being paid for a little food (or > taunting!) was even a remote justification for burning a train full of > people alive. > > sdw > > John Hall wrote: > > What I understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay for > > the food and other items they acquired from the Muslim vendors -- then > > taunted them. > > > > That may not be true, but it would put things in a more interesting > > light. Taking food from a small vendor in India and not paying them is > > trying to starve them. > > > > It sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full of > > activists. > > > > I'm rarely an apologist for Muslims anywhere. Yet I find my sympathies > > with the Muslims in this case, even after they burned the train. > > > > > > > >>From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > >>Stephen D. Williams > > > > > >>The pity of it is that some > >>Muslims were ready to give it to them. Their murderous attack on the > >>train-load of VHP activists at Godhra (with its awful, atavistic > > > > echoes > > > >>of the killings of Hindus and Muslims by the train-load during the > >>partition riots of 1947) played right into the Hindu extremists' > > > > hands. > > sdw > -- > swilliams@hpti.com http://www.hpti.com > Stephen D. Williams, Senior Technical Director > >