From ilug-admin@linux.ie Mon Oct 7 12:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B9816F1C for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:05:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:05:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (postfix@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g979YRK26044 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:34:27 +0100 Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BE9341EE; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:10 +0100 (IST) Delivered-To: linux.ie-ilug@localhost Received: from lotse.makalumedia.com (moca.makalumedia.com [213.157.15.53]) by lugh.tuatha.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FA5341DD for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:34:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from bilbo.makalumedia.loc ([192.168.1.103] verified) by lotse.makalumedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.7) with ESMTP id 842487 for ilug@linux.ie; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:34:38 +0200 Received: by bilbo.makalumedia.loc (Postfix, from userid 501) id 43DE85B323; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:37:26 +0100 (IST) From: Niall O Broin To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences Message-Id: <20021007093726.GB1893@bilbo.makalumedia.com> Reply-To: ilug@linux.ie Mail-Followup-To: Niall O Broin , ilug@linux.ie References: <20021007101909.A16074@wanadoo.fr> <35767.194.237.142.13.1033980191.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35767.194.237.142.13.1033980191.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:37:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:37:26 +0100 On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:43:11AM +0100, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale > > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is > > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that. > > My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also > nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all > claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered "with all faults", so > at least they are honest). Apparently the angle on this (i.e. selling without guarantee) is that software is not a product which is sold but a service which is licensed - at least that's what I remember reading about how M$ gets away with providing no guarantee in the U.S. If you're feeling rather deep pocketed, you could always try suing M$ to get a court's view on the matter. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie