From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Fri Sep 13 16:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F45716F03 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:51:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:51:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8DE7PC21519 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:07:25 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17pr5F-0006ft-00; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:06:09 -0700 Received: from eclectic.kluge.net ([66.92.69.221]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17pr3O-0000cs-00 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:04:14 -0700 Received: from eclectic.kluge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclectic.kluge.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8DE2s4q006906 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:54 -0400 Received: (from felicity@localhost) by eclectic.kluge.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8DE2rhN006904 for spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:53 -0400 From: Theo Van Dinter To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists Message-Id: <20020913140253.GB5897@kluge.net> References: <20020913152108.A8295@alinoe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020913152108.A8295@alinoe.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Keyserver: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net X-GPG-Keynumber: 0xE580B363 X-GPG-Fingerprint: 75B1 F6D0 8368 38E7 A4C5 F6C2 02E3 9051 E580 B363 Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:53 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-14.8 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:21:08PM +0200, carlo@alinoe.com wrote: > So... it seems to me that they DO clean up > their lists, but only when a spam fails to > deliver - or can't they detect that? >=20 > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Well, here's my semi-coherent rant for the moment. ;) I have >3100 spamtraps on my machine (you can multiply that by each domain if you really want to). The vast majority (all but, say, 10) have never ever existed. Yet, spammers would semi-continuously connect, try to deliver mail to 40 of them, disconnect, connect again, try delivering to 40 more... over and over, they kept getting "User unknown" until I got around to making them spamtraps. So my evidence would suggest that it depends who you're dealing with. :) If your "business" is to sell address lists to people who would then spam, it's in your best interest to never clean your list. Therefore you can say "10 million email addresses" and not technically be lying, even if the majority of them don't work. If you're a spammer, you'd want to know who doesn't actually exist, but then again you don't really care: you probably want to relay through someone so it's harder to trace you, if you could you'd send to every email address available, you don't want to setup a valid bounce address because again it's easy to trace you. So I would say this, if you technically spam people but actually think you're running a legit service, you probably really do have a way of opting out (even though the user didn't opt in) and you probably don't relay, and you probably pay attention to bounces. Everyone else doesn't really care. That's my view anyway. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "Now you can do that thing with your hands... It's ok." - Prof. Farr --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gfANAuOQUeWAs2MRAvNfAJ9oyV5MxrnHSKUu3yliMzc9hYcGFACeK11X NOiPnUCgVS0uzsTxM3iY8vs= =b/Y6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk