From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 11:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C1647C76 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:06:17 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7T5lcZ00342 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:47:38 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kI82-0001mr-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:46:02 -0700 Received: from 12-248-14-26.client.attbi.com ([12.248.14.26] helo=12-248-11-90.client.attbi.com) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kI75-00013x-00 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:45:03 -0700 Received: (from skip@localhost) by 12-248-11-90.client.attbi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7T5isf30319; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:44:54 -0500 From: Skip Montanaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15725.46293.831269.315365@12-248-11-90.client.attbi.com> To: Daniel Quinlan Cc: "Dan Kohn" , Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.4 (patch 6) "Common Lisp" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: skip@pobox.com Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:44:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:44:53 -0500 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.3 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: DanQ> I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less DanQ> aggressive score (one which will not give spammers a quick path DanQ> into everyone's inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the DanQ> system works, then we can increase the magnitude of the score. Better yet, let the GA figure out the correct score. ;-) That will obviously take awhile since you'll have to acquire enough messages with it, but it should give you a good idea if the presence of Habeus headers are good spam indicators or not. If they are, my guess is that Habeus will probably not succeed. Taking things further off-topic: Does Habeus charge a license fee to organizations who want to use their copyrighted material or is their sole revenue stream to come from legal judgements? On the one hand, if they charge license fees, I'd worry that when times got tough they'd be somewhat less critical of organizations we'd call spammers today in order to generate license fees. If not, I'd worry the pendulum would swing the other way and they'd go after legitimate businesses in an attempt to generate more revenues from judgements and/or out of court settlements. Either way, it seems like they have an interesting tightrope to walk. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com consulting: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk