From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 11:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D244160 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:06:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7T0n0Z21570 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:49:01 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kDSh-0002yw-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:47:03 -0700 Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com ([204.127.202.61]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kDRu-0001sK-00 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:46:14 -0700 Received: from localhost ([12.229.66.144]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020829004607.SVKQ11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:46:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Brian McNett To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.8 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY,IN_REP_TO, KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Just a few notes: > > - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone > in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a > good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law. A lot of spam which *appears* to originate from China, and even a lot which advertises websites hosted there, is sent by, and is done for the benefit of, companies based in the US. The spam often appears to originate there because it's coming from open http, or squid proxy servers. It's hosted there because these spammers are now persona-non-grata on all US ISPs. One hardly needs to involve the Chinese government in a case where a US citizen is violating US law. > - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court > case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes! The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These include many legal precedents which are used to protect the rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to spammers. > - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen > cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc. Surprising then, how much information you can find on the current whereabouts of long-time spammers like Alan Ralksy of Detroit, Michigan. Ralsky is a guy who even gives interviews to the news media. If you can connect a specific corpus of spam to him, his street address is well known. Ralsky is a prime candidate for lawsuits in any state with an anti-spam law. Thomas Cowles is another long-time spammer, but last I heard he'd been jailed for stealing computer equipment from his business partner, Eddy Marin (also a long time spammer (You've heard of PopLaunch, right?) > - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I > don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also, > some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example, > "pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly > required for the spammer to get their way. Back when I was working at MAPS, there was a flap over a pump-and-dump spammer, Rodona Garst. Seems she had an open file-share on her laptop, and when she forged the wrong domain, the real owner hacked in and posted all her private information on a website. Oh, look, it's still there, including the nude photos: http://belps.freewebsites.com/ I recall this well, because the SEC was VERY interested in confirming the validity of the information found online. There were some "interesting" conversations. This summer, the SEC released the following: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/33-8113.htm Yes, the investigation took two years, but the financial penalty for operating a pump-and-dump scam isn't small. The wheels of government grind slow, but the grind very fine indeed. --B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk