From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 30 21:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427BF16F03 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UJTFK13077 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:29:16 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B856029409F; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (pm2-5.sba1.netlojix.net [207.71.218.101]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A5929409E for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dave@localhost) by maltesecat (8.8.7/8.8.7a) id MAA06188; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:34:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200209301934.MAA06188@maltesecat> To: fork@example.com Subject: Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station In-Reply-To: Message from fork-request@xent.com of "Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:29:02 PDT." <20020930122902.4016.16668.Mailman@lair.xent.com> From: Dave Long Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:34:12 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, T_QUOTE_TWICE_1,T_URI_COUNT_0_1 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: > > ... webforms /can/ > > accept "U.S. of A" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can > > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers ... Are the people who use procrustean web forms practices the same ones who don't accept faxes? When I *really* need to get something done, instead of just idle surfing, I call or fax. Faxing, like a web form, can be done 24x7; it allows me to give all the (and only the) pertinent info in a single place; it also provides a self-journalled correspondence, which means rollback is easy and replay is even easier. -Dave > Sure, tiled windows were the best we had for > a brief period of time, but they are completely useless > except for some terminal based replacement applications. I've been running a tiled (but somewhat overlapped, yielding a horizontal stack) window manager lately. Like filling in a web form, finding edges and shuffling windows may seem productive, but I find that having a window manager manage the windows means I can concentrate on what I want to do with their contents. ::::::::: "dumb question: X client behind a firewall?" > Back in my day, they didn't have ssh. Then again, back in my day, > they didn't have firewalls. Back in my day, when one changed computer installations, email would be forwarded as a courtesy. Now, we seem to have swung so far in the opposite direction that it makes sense to ditch addresses every couple of years to shed spam.