From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 30 13:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5499516F80 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:48:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:48:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8SJtIg06463 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:55:18 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB38D2940BF; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C9FE2940A9 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18407 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 19:54:45 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3158A1B62B; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:54:42 -0400 (EDT) To: gbolcer@endeavors.com Cc: FoRK Subject: Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station References: <3D95C839.8E8701FD@endeavors.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 28 Sep 2002 15:54:42 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,T_QUOTE_TWICE_2,T_URI_COUNT_3_5 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "G" == Gregory Alan Bolcer writes: G> So, if crappy forms-based submission is the state of practice G> for business enablement on the Web, I can't see this whole data G> submission and hurry up and wait for us to get back to you G> business process as working all that well. I love this business. If a bridge falls over, the architect or the engineer is in court the next day, but when a /software/ bridge falls over, we blame the air beneath it, or the phase of the moon, or (more often) the people walking on it. "What idiots! Don't they know you're supposed to walk on the /balls/ of your feet, not lead with your heels? Didn't they read the blueprints? They were posted in the town hall. Any idiot would know the 0.75Hz heel cadence would pop rivets on the structural supports! Geez. Pedestrians are /so/ stupid." Ours is the /only/ industry that can hold itself 100% un-responsible for any and all sloth-inflicted doom, and the only industry which can /also/ get away with feeding this myth of infallibility unquestioned to the media, to investors, to students and to each other. "God I hate telephones. Telephones are stupid. I used a telephone to, like, call my broker yesterday, and y'know, just /after/ I'd ordered those 2000 shares of Nortel ..." You just gotta love a mass-delusion like that. Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/ accept "U.S. of A" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor locking your business into their "small transaction fee" tithe. Of course, try and tell one of those 5-niners that and they'll get all defensive, black list you as a sh*t disturber and undermine your reputation with the boss... not that I'm speaking first-hand or anything ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Picasso)