From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 23 22:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4A016F03 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:47:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:47:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NKivC01922 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:44:57 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E027B29418F; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mail.evergo.net (unknown [206.191.151.2]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 798BE29409A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7877 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 20:43:55 -0000 Received: from dsl.206.191.151.102.evergo.net (HELO JMHALL) (206.191.151.102) by mail.evergo.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 20:43:55 -0000 Reply-To: From: "John Hall" To: "FoRK" Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming Message-Id: <000201c26341$ef5f75f0$0200a8c0@JMHALL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:43:55 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would have to bury the Greens. A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they would have had to invent it. So it is with global warming. Their fundamental opposition isn't to a warmer earth, it is to industrial civilization. The fact that the sattelites didn't match what the global warming theorists said should be there is old news. The news here is that the temperature measures via sattelite have gotten even better and they have been validated with a different means of measurement. Rather than have to defend CO2 concentrations as not causing global warming, people who believe in CO2 need a good explanation of the "Medieval Warm Period". Said period was warmer than what we have now, and it obvioiusly wasn't caused by CO2. In point of fact the predicted global warming due to CO2 is not caused DIRECTLY by CO2. CO2 doesn't trap that much heat. Water vapor does, and if you can get more water vapor in the air due to CO2 then you have your warming theory. Yet it would seem that the very stability of the earth's climate over long periods argues not for an unstable system with positive feedback loops but one where negative feedback loops predominate. More water vapor can increase temperatuers, but that also leads to more clouds. Clouds both trap heat and reflect it, so it depends a great deal on how the cloud formation shakes out. Most climate models admit they do clouds very poorly. A good link is: http://www.techcentralstation.be/2051/wrapper.jsp?PID=2051-100&CID=2051- 060302A > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Whitehead > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:23 PM > To: Robert Harley; fork@example.com > Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming > > > Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > >and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause > > some stir ... > > > > Of course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the facts. > > For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain why > the > dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global > temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers are > melting faster than they have previously in the historical record. That > is, > people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate > explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases). > > - Jim >