From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Sep 19 17:50:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DA316F03 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:50:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:50:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JFTpC25473 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:29:53 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EFD2940C2; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from Boron.MeepZor.Com (i.meepzor.com [204.146.167.214]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548702940C2 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sashimi (dmz-firewall [206.199.198.4]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8JFT5i25255; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:29:05 -0400 From: "Bill Stoddard" To: "Owen Byrne" , "Fork@Xent.Com" Subject: RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D89BEA8.4010107@permafrost.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:11:47 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: > Chuck Murcko wrote: > > > Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not > > "parroting the party line". > > > > It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take > > it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to > > suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.: > > > > I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to > > defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass > > where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political > > pendulum has swung currently. > > > > Chuck > > > I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by > protestors, he said something like "They couldn't do that in Iraq." > Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested. > > Owen Trying to shoutdown a speaker or being loud and rowdy while someone else is trying to speak (in the vernacular, 'getting in their face') is rude and disrespectful. And persistently getting in someones face is assault, a criminal offense. If these people have something to say, they can say it with signs or get their own venue. And here is something else to chew on... these protesters are NOT interested in changing anyones mind about what Rumsfield is saying. How likely are you to change someone's mind by being rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil at worst. Bill