From fork-admin@xent.com Tue Sep 17 23:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813E816F03 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:29:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:29:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8HHmaC20997 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:48:36 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE79A2940F3; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from permafrost.net (unknown [64.5.214.38]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D39BB29409F for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14583 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Sep 2002 17:38:52 -0000 From: "Owen Byrne" To: Chuck Murcko Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review Message-Id: <20020917173852.GB5613@www.NT-NETWORK> References: <96394F38-CA61-11D6-A53C-003065F93D3A@topsail.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <96394F38-CA61-11D6-A53C-003065F93D3A@topsail.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:38:52 -0300 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-16.9 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:19:13AM -0700, Chuck Murcko wrote: > Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. Still, > lots of us in the States have developed a disturbing tendency to shout > down or (in recent years) shackle in legal BS opinions, thoughts, and > individual behaviors we don't agree with. > Except that parroting the party line doesn't really require much freedom of speech. Now if you had posted something from a left of center source, you would have been shouted down in flames, buried in ad hominem attacks, and probably get your name added to an FBI list. Besides the basic rule in the United States now is "I'll defend your rights to say anything you want, but if it isn't appropriately neoconish, well, don't expect to work": HHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, September 17, 2002; Page A01 The Bush administration has begun a broad restructuring of the scientific advisory committees that guide federal policy in areas such as patients' rights and public health, eliminating some committees that were coming to conclusions at odds with the president's views and in other cases replacing members with handpicked choices. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html Owen