From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F7644157 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:22:05 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g827KoZ23723 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:20:51 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA91294185; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B663294099 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Intellistation ([66.31.2.27]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020902071920.PLEQ12451.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@Intellistation> for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:19:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson Organization: Electric Brain To: FoRK Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200209020319.13260.eh@mad.scientist.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:19:13 -0400 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.0 required=7.0 tests=FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, NOSPAM_INC,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Sunday 01 September 2002 08:43 pm, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > 3. Java is not just a programming language! The astounding thing about java is that despite all of the many significant points in its favor, it still manages to suck, and break across JVMs. I was really looking forward to being able to use a better language like java and get it compiled to real platform-specific binaries via the GNU compiler collection. But this seems to have never really gotten anywhere because it would require porting or reimplementing libraries, which are probably not source-available or tolerably licenced. When I looked at what I had to do to gcc and link "hello world," I lost interest. Who the hell is writing the runtimes, anyway? Why are Perl/Python/Ruby more reliable? In a world where the Macs all ran emulated 68K code utterly reliably, it's just hard to accept that there can't be a single portable JVM that just works. My opinion is biased because of the disgraceful state of non-Windoze browser java implementations. Eirikur