From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Aug 26 21:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCAE43F99 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:57:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QKsKZ09118 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:54:21 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEFE2941C6; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from plato.einstein (unknown [65.170.226.173]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CBF294099 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RSHAVELL ([63.101.39.6]) by plato.einstein with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:30 -0700 From: "Rob Shavell" To: "'Eugen Leitl'" , "'Mike Masnick'" , "'Joseph S. Barrera III'" , "'Ian Andrew Bell'" Cc: Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing?? Message-Id: <00dc01c248dd$0c740ea0$6765010a@einstein> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Originalarrivaltime: 21 Aug 2002 06:36:30.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[15BF8340:01C248DD] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:13 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.6 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: thx for the thoughts gentlemen (yes as someone said i use terms loosely) - more than cool ---> quality: snobs only care about mpixels. this is about communications. the general public cares about speed not quality. how is akamai doing these days? not to mention any other QOS businesses that come to mind. implementation: point about hooking to usb, wires, etc. AGREE 100%. these implementations are super clunky, attachable camera needs to be integrated a la nokia model. basically useless until better handsets are released i think. adoption: ian brought up the 'fax' problem. brilliant thing is, this is far more personal than faxes so can be justified more easily and marketed in family packs etc. but yes, the usual rules apply as MMS phones have network efx. content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful' content is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words. display: why are dig camera displays better than cell phones? does anyone know who makes these small displays and what the trends are around them? misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the plant had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital camera, and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality, SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle. ps: it is relatively amusing that one 'low resolution' complaint dropped just after Joe watched a CARTOON on his television.. You're right. Or at least, I don't. I saw an advert for it on TV last night (can't miss Futurama :-) and I thought, "boy, that's dumb." If I wanted to share pictures with someone, I'd email them to them, where they could see them on a 1024x or 1600x display, instead of rob -----Original Message----- From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eugen@leitl.org] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:34 AM To: Rob Shavell Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: sprint delivers the next big thing?? On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Shavell wrote: > down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and yet no one > seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can take photos > and share them instantly across space. this is one of the biggest - and The word "trivial" comes to mind. > last - fundamental changes in human communications. will be as big as the > browser. Remote realtime streaming video is neat, but sharing pictures? You invoke big words rather readily. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork