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From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 11:08:02 2002
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Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
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X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
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> Just a few notes:
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>
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> - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
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> in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
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> good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
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A lot of spam which *appears* to originate from China, and even
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a lot which advertises websites hosted there, is sent by, and is
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done for the benefit of, companies based in the US. The spam
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often appears to originate there because it's coming from open
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http, or squid proxy servers. It's hosted there because these
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spammers are now persona-non-grata on all US ISPs. One hardly
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needs to involve the Chinese government in a case where a US
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citizen is violating US law.
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> - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court
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> case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes!
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The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These
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include many legal precedents which are used to protect the
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rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to
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spammers.
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> - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen
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> cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc.
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Surprising then, how much information you can find on the
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current whereabouts of long-time spammers like Alan Ralksy of
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Detroit, Michigan. Ralsky is a guy who even gives interviews to
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the news media. If you can connect a specific corpus of spam to
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him, his street address is well known. Ralsky is a prime
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candidate for lawsuits in any state with an anti-spam law.
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Thomas Cowles is another long-time spammer, but last I heard
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he'd been jailed for stealing computer equipment from his
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business partner, Eddy Marin (also a long time spammer (You've
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heard of PopLaunch, right?)
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> - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
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> don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
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> some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
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> "pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
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> required for the spammer to get their way.
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Back when I was working at MAPS, there was a flap over a
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pump-and-dump spammer, Rodona Garst. Seems she had an open
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file-share on her laptop, and when she forged the wrong domain,
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the real owner hacked in and posted all her private information
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on a website. Oh, look, it's still there, including the nude
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photos:
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http://belps.freewebsites.com/
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I recall this well, because the SEC was VERY interested in
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confirming the validity of the information found online. There
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were some "interesting" conversations. This summer, the SEC
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released the following:
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http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/33-8113.htm
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Yes, the investigation took two years, but the financial penalty
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for operating a pump-and-dump scam isn't small. The wheels of
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government grind slow, but the grind very fine indeed.
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--B
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