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From: "Max Dunn" <maxdunn@siliconpublishing.com>
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To: "'FoRK'" <FoRK@xent.com>
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Subject: RE: OSCOM Berkeley report: Xopus, Bitflux, Plone, Xoops
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:15:36 -0700
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I attended the same conference, and was impressed by a few systems that
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Jim didn't mention. In terms of CMS, the following all had apparently
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been used in some fairly large implementations and looked like some
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pretty strong competition to commercial systems:
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- Midgard, http://www.midgard-project.org/ , a PHP-based content
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management framework that with other programs combines to be a full CMS
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- Redhat CCM CMS, Java-based: http://www.spamassassin.taint.org/software/ccm/cms/
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- OpenCMS, Java-based: http://www.opencms.org
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There was agreement that usability has not generally been an open source
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strength, but both Plone and Xopus represented some real movement
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towards improving that situation.
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I was impressed by the spectrum of perspectives on XML. Some took for
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granted that XSLT was relevant to content management, others took it
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just as for granted that XSLT was irrelevant and seemed happy to ignore
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XML almost completely.
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I attended realizing that "content management" is generally used to
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apply to *Web* content management, but I was still a bit shocked how
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completely out of scope document management was (almost no consideration
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of the potential print/PDF dimension to content other than the
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occasional "...and you can use FOP to make PDF" as if that was
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functional): this seems more the case in open source content management
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than in commercial content management, and probably makes XML easier to
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ignore (if HTML is the be-all and end-all of the output...).
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The honesty was refreshing, Phil Suh complained about the state of
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current tools (both open source and commercial), and I wish I'd written
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down what he said, something like "it sucks so extremely, it sucks so
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widely, and it is so generally sucking, that it seems sometimes there is
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no hope." For a moment there was contemplation that perhaps commercial
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systems scaled so well that the commercial "big boys" were really much
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more functional than open source, until someone pointed out, "OK, take
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some average blog software, spend $500,000 on the rollout... it'll scale
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pretty well." Another quote (citing Brendan Quinn): "content management
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problems are either trivial or impossible."
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Mac OS X is getting popular, of the laptops there it was an even 1/3
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each of Mac, Linux, Windows.
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I am sure it wasn't news to Jim, but I can't wait to try Subversion, a
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CVS replacement that supports some of the newer features of WebDAV:
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http://subversion.tigris.org/
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I'm also eager to try Xopus, I hope the developers make it back home
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safely, they said they'd only been in America four days but were already
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homeless...
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Max
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