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From fork-admin@xent.com Tue Sep 24 23:31:48 2002
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From: "John Hall" <johnhall@evergo.net>
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To: "FoRK" <fork@spamassassin.taint.org>
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Subject: RE: liberal defnitions
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:11:52 -0700
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Read the article. I'm afraid I don't understand how the transmission
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prices could have hit $50/tcf.
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But I'm also really leery of telling a pipeline company they have to run
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a pipeline at a higher pressure and that they should forego maintenance.
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We had a big pipeline explosion up here awhile ago.
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So maybe the judge has a point. We'll see as the appeals work its way
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out.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org]
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 AM
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> To: johnhall@evergo.net
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> Subject: RE: liberal defnitions
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>
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> from slate's "today's papers": The New York Times and Los Angeles
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Times
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> both lead with word that
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> a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest
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> national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas
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> from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01.
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> The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity
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> in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and
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> helping to induce rolling blackouts.
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>
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> and this is the product of overregulation?
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of
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John
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> Hall
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> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:57 PM
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> To: FoRK
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> Subject: liberal defnitions
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>
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> Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over
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> regulation.
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>
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> The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be
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invisible.
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> It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over
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> spending spreads the damage more evenly. Rent control would be an
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> example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than
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spending
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> tons of money on public housing.
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> As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose
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> both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever. The opinion that
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> EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is
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pretty
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> much anathema to liberal politics.
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>
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> Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much
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> government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no
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private
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> replacements, no government regulation) is better than government
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> regulation itself.
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>
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> And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does
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not
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> include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a
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> watermelon.
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
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> Geege
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> > Schuman
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> > funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally
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> > irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment -
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> > overregulation
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> > or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the
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> > neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of "liberal" as "one who
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> seeks
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> > to
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> > impose both."
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