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From: "Geege Schuman" <geege@barrera.org>
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To: "FoRK" <fork@spamassassin.taint.org>
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Subject: RE: liberal defnitions
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:17:14 -0400
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from slate's "today's papers":
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The New York Times and Los Angeles Times both lead with word that
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a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest
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national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas
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from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01.
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The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity
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in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and
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helping to induce rolling blackouts.
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and this is the product of overregulation?
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-----Original Message-----
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From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John
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Hall
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Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:57 PM
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To: FoRK
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Subject: liberal defnitions
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Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over
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regulation.
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The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be invisible.
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It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over
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spending spreads the damage more evenly. Rent control would be an
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example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than spending
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tons of money on public housing.
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As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose
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both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever. The opinion that
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EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty
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much anathema to liberal politics.
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Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much
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government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no private
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replacements, no government regulation) is better than government
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regulation itself.
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And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does not
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include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a
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watermelon.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
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Geege
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> Schuman
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> funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally
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> irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment -
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> overregulation
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> or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the
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> neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of "liberal" as "one who
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seeks
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> to
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> impose both."
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