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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:44:08 -0700
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This is for those that have interacted with D Winer
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"Dave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach
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around. You're supposed to just shut up and take it."
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http://winerlog.inspiredsites.net/
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===========
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Who's the real monster?
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It seems good Ol' Uncle Dave is once again trying to savage anyone that
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dares to disagree with him. It seems Ben, Kevin and Bill are making too
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strong a case. So here we Dave's attempt to fool you into thinking they're
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some sort of monsters, violent ones no less.
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Anyone who works with Hemenway or Kearney should be aware that these people
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are nothing less than monsters, who will stoop to any level to get their
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way.
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Yeah sure Dave, whatever you need to believe.
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The truth is these folks do a fine job of actually helping others and
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improving RSS in general. Each with their own brand of attitude, to be
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sure, but they seem to be pretty focused on actually helping things move
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forward. How is that being monstrous?
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Is Dave trying to slander their good names and thus poison the public's
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perception of them? If you haven't already, contact them and ask them how
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they feel about this foolishness.
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9/18/02; 10:07:38 AM - Discuss
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Dave deflects what he can't take the time to understand
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It's really quite pitiful. When normal people don't understand something
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they usually try learning about it. They read up, ask questions and seek
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the help of those that understand it. This before shooting their mouths off
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and looking like fools.
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What Dave does is just the opposite.
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Posts a link to something he doesn't understand
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Get's a bunch of e-mail from people who do understand it
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Derides the idea as being 'too much trouble' and blogs it.
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Expects others to do research for him
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Abuses anyone who tries to help him
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Pontificates, incorrectly, about only part of the issue
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Realizes he's been a fool but refuses to correct himself
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Plods forward pedantically trying to defend his idiocy
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Tries making the educated people look like fools.
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Sends private e-mails to them trying to scare them off.
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Exposes any private e-mail they write, out of context.
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Deflects and runs off to some new topic, repeats from #1
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His continued diatribes about RSS-1.0 and it's use of RDF reveal this to be
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true. Dave doesn't get the idea of the semantic web. He'd rather have you
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follow his stupid ideas than dare admit that the work of others is worth
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trying.
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One reader wrote to us with a good analogy. "It's like that movie The
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Poseidon Adventure. Dave's like the purser ranting and raving that the
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passengers should follow him and march toward the bow. I don't know about
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you but I'd rather be with the fat lady swimming toward the engine room.
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The ship's fucking sinking and I don't want to be following the idiot."
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Dave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach
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around. You're supposed to just shut up and take it. After all, why would
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good ol' Uncle Dave want to hurt you? It's all about love, right? To hell
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with asking you if you want to get shafted. And if you dare complain, he
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savages you. Then he tries to make everyone think you're the one causing
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all the trouble.
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We've news for you Dave, we're wise to your tactics and we're talking
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amongst ourselves about it. We're routing around you damaging behavoir.
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That's where we're coming from.
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If you have an example of how you've tried to help Dave, please drop us an
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e-mail about it. We'll keep it strictly confidential of course. Send it
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along to zaphod@egroups.com
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9/12/02; 10:13:11 AM - Discuss
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Trying to talk with Dave is like trying to wrestle a pig...
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The trouble is, you get dirty and the pig seems to like it.
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Another developer tries talking to Dave and discovers it's fundamentally
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impossible:
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His basic response was just that RDF was a joke and the Semantic Web
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developers are doing a terrible job.
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In the span of less than five minutes Dave makes such an ass of himself that
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people at other tables start whispering "that guy is an idiot..."
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The zaphodim, however, are veteran pig wrestlers. If you've got a similar
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tale from the mud pit, be sure to drop us a line at: zaphod@egroups.com.
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9/11/02; 2:17:58 PM - Discuss (1 response)
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Aha! Some backing down by the whining one?
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It would appear the 'dictator release' strategy that Dave's been trying on
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his crappy little set of RSS hacks is failing to gain support.
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I'm going to push back the caveat-removing on the 2.0 spec by 24 hours.
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Still have work to do on the sample file, I want to look into the RFC for
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time-date specs, and get started on the Radio implementation of 2.0. I have
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to prepare for Seybold tomorrow, and I want to a little memorial for 9-11. A
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busy few days for a guy still recovering. Also, it would be great if people
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who make content tools could review the 2.0 spec and see if there are any
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deal-stoppers.
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Hell yeah there are deal stoppers, like nobody wants it nor will they use
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it!
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The poor Radio customers! The poor Salon blog users! They're going to be
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dragged unwillingly into producing XML content that nobody will use! So
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with the flip of his mighty upgrade switch Dave is going to turn all their
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content into totally unsupported garbage!!!
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Ya better speak up now folks otherwise your content is going to start
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getting rejected!
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Of course at the same time Dave tries to play the sympathy card. What utter
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fucking nonsense. This past weekend, the blogosphere excoriates him for his
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'blame America' bullshit. Then the RSS community tells him to get stuffed
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with his dictator release of RSS. Now he's trying to pretend we should be
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nice to him because he's still recovering?
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Uh, Dave, if you want to take a rest from the battle then stop picking
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fights. We'll still kick your ass regardless. That's what years of your
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abusing people has gotten you Dave. No sympathy anymore, none whatsoever.
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9/11/02; 1:56:10 PM - Discuss
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Dave is Scary on 9/11
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Posted on Scripting News on 9/10/2002:
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Note: During the day tomorrow there will be no updates to Scripting News.
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I'll be in SF at Seybold, leading a discussion on Web Services for
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Publishing with people from Amazon, Apple, Google and Jake Savin of
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UserLand. I may be able to update my Radio weblog, but only if there's
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something really important to report. So best wishes for a happy and safe
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9-11.
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What kind of asshole wishes people a happy 9/11??!?!?!?!??!! Obviously
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someone who doesn't have a clue nor lost anyone in the tragedy.
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9/11/02; 7:56:06 AM - Discuss
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Yeow and we though we were harsh!
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Wow, apparently Dave's sticking his neck out quite far these days. Craig
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Schamp practically keel-hauls him with this one. He wraps it up with:
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The man seems to show over and over that he's nothing more than a whining
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buffoon
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Give that man an honorary Zaphodim membership card and secret decoder ring!
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Related links over at PhotoDude, Richard Bennett, Andrea Harris, Reid Stott,
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Jeff Jarvis, Ipse Dixit, and the Fat Guy.
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9/9/02; 12:29:45 PM - Discuss
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RSS 2.0: code name "Hitler"
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If Dave tries to steamroll RSS 2.0 through without formal community
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consensus, here now we call it the "Hitler" release of 2.0.
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"No objections"? No, he means "No objections I choose to hear."
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Dave is simply not listening. People are objecting all over.
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9/6/02; 9:00:02 AM - Discuss
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Referral log funnies
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Every now and then we check the referral logs to see what's pointing back to
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us. We sincerely apologize to the pool soul that used this search.
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9/5/02; 12:15:07 PM - Discuss
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Luserland Attempts to Trademark "RSS"
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Dave has waxed and waned about intellectual property rights and how any
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BigCo that tries to patent its technology or methods is corrupt or morally
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bankrupt. Scripting News is full of examples.
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So we found it surprising, as did many others, when Luserland software tried
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to patent the term 'RSS' back in 2000. Here's the patent application:
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http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78025336
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This was apparently just between the start of the RSS 1.0 development
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efforts, and the publication of the specification. Winer knew about the RSS
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1.0 stuff - indeed, he complained about it bitterly at the time.
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Could Dave be any more transparent?!?!??!?!!!!!!!
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Since when has Dave been required to follow anything he says he wants others
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to do??? A good quote from before he filed the patent application:
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Tim O'Reilly says patents are OK, he's just against stupid patents. In the
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spirit of Touch of Grey, Tim man, patents are lock-in of the worst kind.
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There's no way to route around them.
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9/4/02; 6:06:51 AM - Discuss
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When's a Permalink not a Permalink?
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When Dave writes an item, then removes it!!!!!!!!!!! The permalink links to
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nothing at that point. So apparently the "perma-" part in permalink is
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permanent. For everyone except Dave. Too bad his little attempt at a
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definition fails to mention this...!!!!!!!!!
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9/2/02; 6:16:03 PM - Discuss
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