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To: "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw@lig.net>
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Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God
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From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com>
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Date: 17 Sep 2002 10:50:46 -0400
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>>>>> "S" == Stephen D Williams <sdw@lig.net> writes:
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S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its
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S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc.
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Rastafari.
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That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the
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one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were
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thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans.
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There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to
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oneself as a "foul action".
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S> C) Many splinter Christianity religions have 'clean hands' but
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S> they also aren't 'found in the wild'.
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You'd have to explain "found in the wild". For example, I know of
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no violence perpetrated by the South Pacific "Cargo Cults" outside
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of a pretty darn /mean/ game of cricket.
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S> D) The Northern Ireland Protestant vs. Catholic feud, recently
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S> more or less concluded, is not completely unlike this kind of
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S> friction generated by splitting society too much along
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S> religious lines. One Post article pointed out that the problem
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S> basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along
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S> religious lines all the way to schools, government, political
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S> party, etc. (Of course both cases have a heritage of British
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S> conquest, but who doesn't?)
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When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we
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noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the
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British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the
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common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through
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influence) there /tended/ to be less violence.
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The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious
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aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being
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predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal
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population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics.
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The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since
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the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism.
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(now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;)
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S> .. most Protestants are unionists who want the
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S> province to remain part of Britain.
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Mebst. Mebst. It's the other way around. Most Unionists are protestants.
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It's their _Unionism_ that is the source of the conflict, not their
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sacriments.
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S> ... Police records and historians agree that the most lethal
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S> group by far was the IRA, fighting on the Catholic side with a
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S> goal of a united Ireland
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And which side of the colonial fence do you suppose the Police and
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Historians sit? If the Russians had invaded the USA as feared in
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episodes such as the Bay of Pigs, would the Americans have organized
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to become a "lethal force", or would they have just said, "Oh well,
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there goes /that/ democracy!" and settle in under communist rule?
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Just wondering.
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>> 2. The US is trying to avoid making war on the Muslim religion.
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It is interesting to me that the Canadian media is trying to paint
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Chretien as some sort of buffoon for saying that 3rd-world poverty was
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a major contributor to 9-11. If they'd /watch/ his now-infamous
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interview, they'd see that it's still us-against-hooligans, but his
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point is that the hooligans would not be able to find friendly states
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so easily if those states were not so bled-dry by the west.
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The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised,
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it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get
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cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the
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IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long
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as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that
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escalation of violence is not a solution.
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--
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Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications
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- blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -
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