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To: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley)
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Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies
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References: <20020828165937.B53E9C44D@argote.ch>
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From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com>
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Date: 28 Aug 2002 15:06:39 -0400
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>>>>> "R" == Robert Harley <harley@argote.ch> writes:
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R> GLM wrote:
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>> And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will
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>> weigh in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C
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>> program. QED.
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R> There are massive amounts of libraries for C, Fortran and so
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R> on. To pick an obvious example., if you want to do linear
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R> algebra, then Java isn't a serious candidate at all.
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If you want to do http, C gets pretty muddy (curl is about the best
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choice I've found) but I grant you that: No language is the be-all and
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end-all.
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I envy some of those posting to this list. I've been in business for
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24 years and I haven't yet had the luxury of writing every line of
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code for any project. We are always coerced by budgets and time to
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maximize the amount of work done elsewhere.
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As much as I hate dealing with someone else's blackbox, as much as
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I've spent sleepless nights second-guessing external libs, I've never
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ever had the luxury to do otherwise. It must be wonderful to be
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responsible for something you are actually responsible for, and I am
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so sick of being blamed for other people's design mistakes.
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Maybe there's an archive somewhere I need to know about, but I've been
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using C since DrDobbs first published SmallC and yet I've never found
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any decent LGPL libs cataloged in such a way that I can just type in
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the task and get back an API. Because of Javadoc, which is by no
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means perfect, Java provides me the second best catalog of 3rd-party
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libs, second only to Perl's CPAN -- Perl is one language I also really
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hate with a passion, yet end up using the most for exactly this reason.
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For example, take the recent CBC Olympics site: I needed to roll
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together a telnet client with a tokenizer, perl-regex preprocessing a
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stream to produce parseable XML, project that XML into relational
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databases using only the DTD to generate the rdbms schema, and open an
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XMLRPC interface to read and post items into the news stream. Where
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can I find C libs for those components?
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On the webserver, we then needed a multithreaded read-only http socket
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which can spawn persistent data-caching servlets that periodically
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refresh themselves over socket connections to the relational database,
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presenting the retreived values through XSLT-defined transforms, and
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again, where can I find such stuff for C ... or for any other langauge
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but Java? Wombat (servlet spec for Perl) was inviting, but it's not
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ready for prime-time, and re-inventing that entire shopping list in C
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is just not feasible for one programmer to do inside of 8 weeks.
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When you need C libs, or even C++ libs, where's the best place to shop?
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Where do you find standards-based portable RDBMS API? (ODBC?) How do
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you evaluate these things without actually fetching every one and
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trying it out?
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In a perfect universe, I'd use Ocaml or even Ruby, but I don't see the
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social infrastructure for either happening during my professional
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lifetime.
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R> Why do so many people outside of Sun's marketing department
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R> consider Java to be "Write Once, Debug Everywhere" ?
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A collegue at Cognos (Henk?) called C "the nearly-portable assembler"
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--
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Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
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Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
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"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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