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17t8V8-00042A-00; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:18:26 -0400
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From: "Geege Schuman" <geege@barrera.org>
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To: "Owen Byrne" <owen@permafrost.net>
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Cc: "Gary Lawrence Murphy" <garym@canada.com>,
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"Mr. FoRK" <fork_list@hotmail.com>, <fork@xent.com>,
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"Digital Bearer Settlement List" <dbs@philodox.com>
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Subject: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g)
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:15:34 -0400
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reminds me of Cheney during the VP debates, when he declared his wealth was
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not the product of government favors.
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http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/communications/logs/Gulf-War/desert-stor
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m/07
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(good time to refresh our memories re iraq . . .)
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starting a debate on govt. contracts,
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gg
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-----Original Message-----
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From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Owen
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Byrne
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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:04 AM
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To: Owen Byrne
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Cc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; fork@spamassassin.taint.org; Digital Bearer
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Settlement List
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Subject: Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g
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Owen Byrne wrote:
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> R. A. Hettinga wrote:
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>
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>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> Hash: SHA1
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>>
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>> At 10:32 AM -0400 on 9/21/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
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>>
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>>
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>>> Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out
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>>> of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the
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>>> idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening...
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>>>
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>>
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>>
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>> All the world loves a smartass...
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>>
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>> :-).
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>>
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>> Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of
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>> this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even
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>> for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents
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>> of slaves, who were brought here by force.
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>>
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>> More stuff, cheaper. That's progress.
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>>
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>> Poverty, of course, is not relative. It's absolute. Disparity in
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>> wealth has nothing to do with it.
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>>
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>> It's like saying that groups have rights, when, in truth, only
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>> individuals do. Like group rights, "disparity" in wealth is
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>> statistical sophistry.
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>>
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>> Besides, even if you can't help the distribution, industrial wealth
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>> is almost always transitory, and so is relative poverty, even when
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>> there are no confiscatory death-taxes. The 20th anniversary Forbes
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>> 400 just came out, and only a few tens of people are still there
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>> since 1982, a time which had significantly higher marginal taxes on
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>> wealth, income, and inheritance than we do now. More to the point,
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>> they're nowhere near the top.
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>>
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>>
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Lovely quote from the Forbes 400 list:
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"and not a single Astor, Vanderbilt or Morgan rates a mention on the
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current Forbes Four Hundred. "
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But you have to studiously ignore the 4 Rockefellers, 3 Gettys, 3
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Hearsts, Fords, Kelloggs, Wrigleys,
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and so on.
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There are more self-made people on the list than I previously alluded to
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- I made a mistake. Most
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of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League dropouts,
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suggesting to me that they weren't
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exactly poor to start with. Some of them have lovely self-made stories
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like:
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#347, Johnston, Summerfield K Jr
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track this personTrack This Person
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<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/add_person.jhtml?successURL=%2Fpeopletr
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acker%2Fprotected%2Frich_tracker.jhtml&errorURL=%2Fpeopletracker%2Ferror.jht
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ml&personId=221899>
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| See all Bacon Makers
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<http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=54&passYear=2002&passL
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istType=Person&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnum
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berfield1%2C%2Bstringfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=rank&searchParameter1=10
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Str%7C%7CPatCS%7C%7CBacon+Makers&category1=Magazine+Section&category2=catego
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ry&searchParameter2=unset>
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70 , self made
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*Source: Food
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<http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=54&passYear=2002&passL
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istType=Person&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnum
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berfield1%2C%2Bstringfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=rank&searchParameter1=5S
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tr%7C%7CPatCS%7C%7CFood&category1=Industry>,
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Coca-Cola* (quote
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<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?
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tkr=CCE>,
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executives
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<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=C
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CE>,
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news <http://markets2.forbes.com/rpt/Company_News.asp?Symbol=CCE>)
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Net Worth: *$680 mil* returnee
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Hometown: Chattanooga , TN
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*Marital Status:* married , 5 children
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Grandfather James and partner landed first Coca-Cola bottling franchise
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in 1899. Company passed down 3 generations to Summerfield 1950s. Became
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largest independent Coke bottler. Merged with Coca-Cola Enterprises 1991.
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<javascript:openMap('pol');> <javascript:openMap('dist');>
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(...by a compensation committee)
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Owen
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