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To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com>
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Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:23 +0100
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Gary Lawrence Murphy said:
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> >>>>> "S" == Stephen D Williams <sdw@lig.net> writes:
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> S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its
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> S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc.
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> Rastafari.
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> That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the
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> one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were
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> thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans.
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> There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to
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> oneself as a "foul action".
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What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully nice bunch
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of chaps (and chapesses).
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> When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we
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> noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the
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> British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the
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> common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through
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> influence) there /tended/ to be less violence.
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>
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> The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious
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> aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being
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> predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal
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> population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics.
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> The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since
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> the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism.
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>
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> (now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;)
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Man, I'm not going *there* again ;) I'll agree, though, that the ideology
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or practices of the religions have very little to do with the conflict.
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> The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised,
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> it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get
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> cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the
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> IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long
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> as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that
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> escalation of violence is not a solution.
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Well said!
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--j.
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