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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:42:28 -0400
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John Hall wrote:
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>>From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com]
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>>Bush's reluctance to blast blind obeyance of religion as taught by
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>your
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>>local madrassa or KKK leader, apparently because he is fully involved
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>>with the general effort to expand unfettered religiosity as the
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>solution
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>>to the world's ills, is disappointing. He has spoke against madrassa,
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>>but what I heard sounded lame and carefully crafted to shield religion
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>>in general from scrutiny.
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>1. Which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters.
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A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its past?
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Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc.
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B) "How it is currently being expressed" amounts to a tacit
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acknowledgement that the sophistication of the society involved and
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people's self-limiting reasonableness are important to avoid primitive
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expression. This leads to the point that religion and less
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sophisticated societies are a dangerous mix. It also tends to invoke
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the image of extremes that might occur without diligent maintenance of
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society.
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C) Many splinter Christianity religions have 'clean hands' but they also
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aren't 'found in the wild'.
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(By "primitive expression", I don't mean to slight any society, but that
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there is some chronic evidence of irrational mob actions and uncivilized
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behavior (killing infants, women to break religious blue laws, etc.).
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The US has only really been mostly free of "primitive expression" for
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40-50 years, although large categories, including serious religious
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conflict, were settled quite a while ago.)
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D) The Northern Ireland Protestant vs. Catholic feud, recently more or
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less concluded, is not completely unlike this kind of friction generated
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by splitting society too much along religious lines. One Post article
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pointed out that the problem basically stemmed from the vertical
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integration of areas along religious lines all the way to schools,
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government, political party, etc. (Of course both cases have a heritage
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of British conquest, but who doesn't?)
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(I couldn't find the article I remember, but here are a couple of others:)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33761-2001Jul8¬Found=true
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15956-2002Jul16¬Found=true
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'Northern Ireland is a British province of green valleys and
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cloud-covered hills whose 1.6 million people are politically and
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religiously divided. About 54 percent of the population is Protestant,
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and most Protestants are unionists who want the province to remain part
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of Britain. The Roman Catholic minority is predominantly republican, or
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nationalist; they want to merge with the Republic of Ireland to the south.
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In 1968, Catholic leaders launched a civil rights drive modeled on the
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Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s campaign in the American South. But
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violence quickly broke out, with ancient religious animosities fueling
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the political argument. Armed paramilitary groups sprung up on both
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sides. Police records and historians agree that the most lethal group by
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far was the IRA, fighting on the Catholic side with a goal of a united
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Ireland
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The provincial police force estimates that about 3,600 people were
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killed during the 30-year conflict known, with characteristic Northern
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Ireland understatement, as "The Troubles."'
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>2. The US is trying to avoid making war on the Muslim religion.
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That's fine, as it would be an inappropriate concentration. It would be
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difficult to address the issues raised here in a clean way. I'd be
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happy with an acknowledgement that the connection is there.
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>3. US Leadership remains reflexively multi-cultural.
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This is ok to a point, as long as it doesn't shy away from logical,
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objective analysis of when a society could be seriously improved in
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certain ways.
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>>We all have
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>>disagreements, but at some point it becomes a crime against humanity.
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>I didn't say burning the train was a good thing. I said I understood it
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>wasn't a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong.
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True, although I don't think you were as clear originally. :-)
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sdw
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