From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Sep 19 17:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B6116F03 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:50:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:50:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JGmiC28731 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:48:44 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC0A29409E; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from crank.slack.net (slack.net [166.84.151.181]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB36C29409C for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by crank.slack.net (Postfix, from userid 596) id AC1843ED7B; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crank.slack.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7183ED76; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom To: Bill Stoddard Cc: Owen Byrne , "Fork@Xent.Com" Subject: RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: --]How likely are you to change someone's mind by being --]rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence --]people? Point the first, I doubt if they are trying to change Rumsy's mind but rather to show others that there is a vocal and violent opposition to his views. With such flagrant showings of opposition there would be more coverage of the opposing ideas and thus the spreading of the dissenting meme. A viri need not comply with the wishes of the attacked host, rather the host had better make some antibodies or learn to adapt. Point the second. Historicaly the "in yer face" mode of confrontation has been used to gain popular support and to grow from seeds "grass roots" movements. Witness the big bold "in yer face" signature of Hancock on the "in yer face" Declaration of the american colonies to the governing powers of england. Witness also the chicago seven, Others will follow in examplare form upon digging. Now point the third, is it annoying? Yes, and if your annoyed then the "in yer facers" have done thier job. Sad to say the polite persnikiters are teh very fule the "in yer facers" hope to ignite. If your burning, your being used. Pointed the personal...The politics of the polite are more often the refuge of backstabings, closed mouth recourlessness and hypocritcal behavoirs. Id rather hear what those who oppose me have to say than quietly be knifed by the slow hand of the coward. Seek not the polite or impolite but rather the reasons why. -tom