From fork-admin@xent.com Tue Sep 17 17:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250516F03 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:57:48 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:57:48 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8HGpbC19130 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:51:37 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB412940BB; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from relay06.indigo.ie (relay06.indigo.ie [194.125.133.230]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C55D29409F for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32637 messnum 1040879 invoked from network[194.125.173.182/ts13-182.dublin.indigo.ie]); 17 Sep 2002 16:50:45 -0000 Received: from ts13-182.dublin.indigo.ie (HELO spamassassin.taint.org) (194.125.173.182) by relay06.indigo.ie (qp 32637) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 16:50:45 -0000 Received: by spamassassin.taint.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4F4EA16F03; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from spamassassin.taint.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamassassin.taint.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6C1F7B1; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:28 +0100 (IST) To: Gary Lawrence Murphy Cc: "Stephen D. Williams" , johnhall@evergo.net, fork@xent.com, lea@lig.net Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God In-Reply-To: Message from Gary Lawrence Murphy of "17 Sep 2002 10:50:46 EDT." From: yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason) X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 0A48 2D8B 0B52 A87D 0E8A 6ADD 4137 1B50 6E58 EF0A X-Habeas-Swe-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-Swe-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-Swe-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-Swe-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-Swe-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-Swe-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-Swe-9: mark in spam to . Message-Id: <20020917165028.4F4EA16F03@spamassassin.taint.org> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:23 +0100 Gary Lawrence Murphy said: > >>>>> "S" == Stephen D Williams writes: > S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its > S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc. > Rastafari. > That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the > one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were > thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans. > There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to > oneself as a "foul action". What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully nice bunch of chaps (and chapesses). > When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we > noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the > British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the > common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through > influence) there /tended/ to be less violence. > > The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious > aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being > predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal > population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics. > The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since > the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism. > > (now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;) Man, I'm not going *there* again ;) I'll agree, though, that the ideology or practices of the religions have very little to do with the conflict. > The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised, > it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get > cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the > IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long > as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that > escalation of violence is not a solution. Well said! --j.