From fork-admin@xent.com Sat Sep 7 21:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EE716F1B for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:52:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:52:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8721FC02762 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:01:16 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472E2940B0; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA46729409E for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21595 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 02:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (165.154.190.91) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 02:00:15 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9307D1C0B3; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:54:41 -0400 (EDT) To: "Jim Whitehead" Cc: "FoRK" Subject: Re: Google? Not in China References: From: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 06 Sep 2002 21:54:41 -0400 >>>>> "J" == Jim Whitehead writes: J> Seems that governments do have some power over the J> Web, after all. At the 1993 ITAC "Roadwork" Conference, Peter Mansbridge asked the panel of experts how it might be possible to censor the internet. All of the panelists laughed except Bill Buxton. Peter asked him if he knew something the others didn't. Bill replied that it /was/ possible to censor the internet, which drew a gasp from the audience. "All you need is a global government more Draconian than any that has occured before in history" Scientology DMCA suits against Norwegians, legal RIAA file-trading virii, Bush's Homeland Insecurity, Canada using ISPs as spies, RIAA suing Prodigy for P2P users and having Foreign sites barred from the US, France tempers Yahoo, China IP-filters Google ... Seems Bill didn't know much about how Government really works. Either that, or there's a smelly similarity between Buxton's global Big Brother and the US and Chinese. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)