From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 10:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235A143F9B for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:49:50 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RInkZ21336 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:49:46 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F332940D2; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from smtp1.auracom.net (smtp1.auracom.net [165.154.140.23]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AAF29409A for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maya.dyndns.org (ts5-007.ptrb.interhop.net [165.154.190.71]) by smtp1.auracom.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7RIMMS12577 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 032861C388; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:28:18 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates.. References: From: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 27 Aug 2002 13:30:53 -0400 >>>>> "A" == Adam L Beberg writes: A> I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that A> employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills A> with insane years of experience. >>>From my 25+ years in the playing field, IMHO the art of job-hunting (for those not yet de-jobbed) is the art of getting past the HR-stage interview and into the engineer-to-engineer interview. HR is not being honest with you so there's no ethical quandry to be totally honest with them: If they want experience numbers that would place you in the OAK project, lead them to believe that you have "something roughly equivalent" (ie "it wasn't 5 years, but it was three intense years with plenty of overtime") -- they are playing a bluff in saying /they/ know the job requirements so you're perfectly within poker rules to bluff back to say you have it. If you /don't/ have the requisite Right Stuff, the engineers can usually suss it out pretty fast during the second interview. Most often, their choice is based 90% on "who can I work with" and only maybe 10% on "how much/little will we have to tutor this candidate?" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)